Legislature(2009 - 2010)HOUSE FINANCE 519

01/30/2009 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      January 30, 2009                                                                                          
                         1:35 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker  called the  House Finance Committee  meeting                                                                   
to order at 1:35:31 PM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Allan Austerman                                                                                                  
Representative Harry Crawford                                                                                                   
Representative Anna Fairclough                                                                                                  
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Woodie Salmon                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Joseph Masters,  Commissioner,  Department of Public  Safety;                                                                   
Dan Spencer,  Director, Division of Administrative  Services,                                                                   
Department  of Public Safety;  Joseph Schmidt,  Commissioner,                                                                   
Department   of    Corrections;   Dwayne    Peeples,   Deputy                                                                   
Commissioner, Department of Corrections                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Audie Holloway,  Colonel, Director, Division of  Alaska State                                                                   
Troopers, Department of Public Safety                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^Department of Public Safety Overview                                                                                           
Department of Corrections Overview                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:35:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hawker started the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:37:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH MASTERS,  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC  SAFETY,                                                                   
introduced Dan Spencer, Director,  Division of Administrative                                                                   
Services  and  Leslie  Houston,  Division  of  Administrative                                                                   
Services to help answer questions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters provided  a brief overview of the public                                                                   
safety  department and  programs. He  reviewed the  structure                                                                   
and  employee  chart  of the  Department  of  Public  Safety,                                                                   
January 30, 2009 (copy on file).                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:42:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters  reviewed   the  Department  of  Public                                                                   
Safety,  Selected  2008 Accomplishments(copy  on  file).  His                                                                   
review included  the Alaska  State Troopers, Alaska  Wildlife                                                                   
Troopers,  Village  Public  Safety Officers,  Fire  and  Life                                                                   
Safety, Statewide  Services, and  the Crime lab.  He remarked                                                                   
that challenges still exist in  the recruitment and retention                                                                   
of Village Public Safety Officers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters indicated  that within the Fire and Life                                                                   
Safety  division  additional facility  expectations  will  be                                                                   
reviewed on  a two  year cycle.  He indicated that  Statewide                                                                   
Services are  the backbone and  structure of the  department.                                                                   
He noted that within this division  60,000 fingerprints cards                                                                   
have been placed into the system.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:46:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters signified  that the crime lab filled the                                                                   
ten lab  vacancies making  them fully  staffed for  the first                                                                   
time  since 2002.  The Commissioner  observed  that this  has                                                                   
enabled  them  to reduce  the  case  backlog by  24  percent,                                                                   
especially in the DNA area.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:47:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough   asked  how  he   envisioned  the                                                                   
Council  of  Domestic  Violence and  Sexual  Assault  (CDVSA)                                                                   
fitting within  the department's management stream.  She also                                                                   
questioned  if the crime  lab was  taking and processing  DNA                                                                   
swabs from felons entering the corrections system.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:48:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters  believed  a  cooperative  relationship                                                                   
with  the CDVSA  is required  if there  was going  to be  any                                                                   
effective  effort in  reducing  sexual assault  and  domestic                                                                   
violence.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:49:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough considered  obtaining DNA  samples                                                                   
important because low crimes offenses  often enter the system                                                                   
and escalate  to more serious  cases and the  availability of                                                                   
DNA could  help the  system solve future  or cold  cases. She                                                                   
congratulated John  Glass on his participation  and exemplary                                                                   
performance in the domestic violence  and sexual assault task                                                                   
force.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Thomas asked  about an injured  trooper  from his                                                                   
district and requested a report  before going over the budget                                                                   
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:52:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner replied  he would get back to  Vice-Chair Thomas                                                                   
regarding the trooper.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:52:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Austerman noted  in the governor's  state-of-                                                                   
the-state  address  there was  mention  of a  highway  patrol                                                                   
issue and asked for more elaboration on the subject.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters  reported that the governor  referred to                                                                   
the newly formed  Alaska Bureau of Highway Patrol  within the                                                                   
Alaska State  Troopers division.  He noted that  currently it                                                                   
is primarily  federally funded  and the goal  is to  bring it                                                                   
into  a more  centralized focused  management structure  that                                                                   
will allow the implementation of better highway safety.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:54:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman referred  to some year-old homicides                                                                   
in the community  of Kodiak that prosecutors  refused to move                                                                   
forward  to the grand  jury without  the crime  lab work.  He                                                                   
questioned  why the  crime lab  was  so far  behind in  these                                                                   
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:55:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters responded  that  he would  get back  to                                                                   
Representative Austerman on more  specifics. The Commissioner                                                                   
revealed that most  cases in the crime lab turn  around in 30                                                                   
days.  He revealed  that backlogged  more  serious cases  are                                                                   
prioritized.   Representative    Austerman   questioned   how                                                                   
homicides were prioritized within the department.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters  reiterated   he  would  follow  up  on                                                                   
Representative Austerman's concerns.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:56:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker expressed  the  committee's  concern on  the                                                                   
level  of services  provided  to  the rural  communities.  He                                                                   
remarked that  in studying  the budget he  wanted to  know if                                                                   
the  department  was  asking   for  sufficient  resources  to                                                                   
accomplish their mission statement across the entire state.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:58:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters replied that  budget requests are looked                                                                   
at  from  many  different  points.   He  commented  that  the                                                                   
department looks  at the mission statement and  determines if                                                                   
there are adequate personnel to  accomplish it. He noted that                                                                   
earlier  vacancies   made  it  difficult  to   determine  the                                                                   
department's true  capabilities. The Commissioner  added that                                                                   
if the department asked for more  staff money he was not sure                                                                   
if  it  would  be  possible  to  fill  those  positions.  The                                                                   
Commissioner   also  noted   that  additional   comprehensive                                                                   
studies  were required  to determine if  more positions  were                                                                   
needed  and where.  He  believed that  the  FY10 request  was                                                                   
reasonable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker voiced  his  concern that  the  Commissioner                                                                   
wanted  more time  to research  the needs  of the  department                                                                   
when  he   understood  the  department   had  moved   far  in                                                                   
determining the needs for a ten-year plan.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:02:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Masters  replied   that   the  department   is                                                                   
considering work  done by the previous administration  but he                                                                   
believed it  was important  to know  the capabilities  of the                                                                   
current  allotted positions.  Co-Chair  Hawker  asked if  the                                                                   
previous years  had been so mismanaged that  the Commissioner                                                                   
was  not  aware  of the  present  needs  of  the  department.                                                                   
Commissioner  Masters  believed that  planning  needed to  be                                                                   
more extensive with more required information factors. Co-                                                                      
Chair  Hawker   asked  what  factors  the   Commissioner  was                                                                   
referring to.  Commissioner Masters  replied factors  such as                                                                   
crime and population trends, the  current economic situation,                                                                   
and potential new projects such  as the natural gas pipeline.                                                                   
Co-Chair  Hawker could  not believe  the  department had  not                                                                   
considered such obvious aforementioned trends.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:04:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters  emphasized   that  he  came  into  the                                                                   
department with  a forward looking  attitude to  assess needs                                                                   
and  then move  forward.  He  defended the  capabilities  and                                                                   
dedication  of  his staff.  Co-Chair  Hawker  reiterated  his                                                                   
skepticism  of the  department's staff  capabilities if  they                                                                   
had  neglected to  consider such  important trends.  Co-Chair                                                                   
Stoltze   supported   and  appreciated   the   Commissioner's                                                                   
approach  to the  department  planning.  He referred  to  the                                                                   
letter from  the Department of  Public Safety  answering many                                                                   
of  the questions  put  forth  by  the House  Finance  Public                                                                   
Safety subcommittee (copy on file).                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:07:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster  applauded  the  local  public  safety                                                                   
record in the rural communities.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker  asked  about   the  charts  on  perspective                                                                   
retirement  within   the  department.  Commissioner   Masters                                                                   
presented an  overview of the present recruitment  vacancies.                                                                   
He  noted that  there were  twenty two  Alaska state  trooper                                                                   
vacancies. He  also noted the  seven Alaska wildlife  trooper                                                                   
vacancies  and twelve  Court  Service officer  vacancies.  At                                                                   
present  twenty  three job  offers  had  been made  with  new                                                                   
trooper recruits  starting in  the academy in  February 2009.                                                                   
The Commissioner also noted that  there is sufficient lateral                                                                   
hiring to  fill any existing  vacancies. He stressed  that by                                                                   
FY 10 all the trooper and CSO positions would be filled.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:10:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN SPENCER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF  PUBLIC  SAFETY   reported  he  did  not  have                                                                   
specific information regarding retirement.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AUDIE HOLLOWAY,  COLONEL, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF  ALASKA STATE                                                                   
TROOPERS,   DEPARTMENT  OF   PUBLIC   SAFETY  testified   via                                                                   
teleconference  that  there  would   be  approximately  three                                                                   
retirement  vacancies per  year for  the next  few years.  He                                                                   
added  that several  instructors  at the  academy will  reach                                                                   
their 20-year anniversary  date in the next  three years. Mr.                                                                   
Holloway pointed out  that the normal attrition rate  is 8 to                                                                   
10  troopers   per  year.  Co-Chair  Hawker   asked  if  this                                                                   
information   was   being   factored   into   the   personnel                                                                   
requirements. Commissioner Masters  replied the department is                                                                   
monitoring the expected attrition rate year by year.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:13:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Fairclough    asked   about   administration                                                                   
staffing. The  Commissioner replied that vacancies  did exist                                                                   
in all divisions  of the civilian support staff  but they are                                                                   
proceeding with recruitment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Fairclough  stressed   that  the   committee                                                                   
consider that  unsupported troopers  often end up  performing                                                                   
administrative work costing the  department more money in the                                                                   
long run.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:15:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters   commented  that  the   department  is                                                                   
looking at how  support personnel and technical  advances can                                                                   
aid the  troopers. He  noted that  troopers performing  court                                                                   
services functions,  especially in  rural areas, have  been a                                                                   
problem.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:17:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  asked   about  Village  Public  Safety                                                                   
Officer  (VPSO)  vacancy rates  and  if these  positions  are                                                                   
getting into new villages. He  noted that last year there was                                                                   
a task  force to  deal with  VPSO issues  and he wondered  if                                                                   
there had  been any  follow-up to  these recommendations.  He                                                                   
questioned  if there  was enough  involvement  in search  and                                                                   
rescue in rural areas where costs of fuel was very high.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:18:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Masters  responded   that  his  department  was                                                                   
looking at all the task force  recommendations, including the                                                                   
VPSO funding  and salary/wage  structure.  He noted that  the                                                                   
department has been working with  non-profits to add and fill                                                                   
recommended vacancies. The Commissioner  mentioned that as of                                                                   
last year  forty seven  VPSO positions  were filled  and this                                                                   
year   they   expected   to  fill   fifty   nine   positions.                                                                   
Commissioner  Masters  noted  recruitment  challenges  within                                                                   
nonprofit  corporations.   The  Commissioner   mentioned  the                                                                   
desire to  implement a five and  ten year plan with  the non-                                                                   
profits.  Representative  Joule  questioned  the  search  and                                                                   
rescue budget. Commissioner Masters  replied that fuel budget                                                                   
items were  talked about  before his  present tenure  but the                                                                   
intent  is   to  support  search   and  rescue   efforts.  He                                                                   
recognized  that  most  search  and rescue  is  performed  by                                                                   
outside nonprofit volunteer organizations.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN SPENCER,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF  PUBLIC  SAFETY  replied  that  fuel  increase                                                                   
requests  have been  made to  the governor's  office but  not                                                                   
specifically for search and rescue.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:23:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Gara   questioned   how   many   communities                                                                   
currently  do not  have VPSOs  and the  department's goal  in                                                                   
implementing the task force recommendations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Masters  responded he would reply  in writing to                                                                   
Representative Gara's requests on the VPSO figures.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:26:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara followed up  with a question  concerning                                                                   
the  proposed development  of a  sexual assault  unit in  the                                                                   
state  and  the  disagreement  over  it  between  the  former                                                                   
commissioner  and governor.  He wondered  what federal  funds                                                                   
the  department might  seek for  a sexual  assault unit.  Co-                                                                   
Chair  Hawker remarked  that he  would  like to  add a  white                                                                   
collar crime unit.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:28:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Joule  wondered  how committee  members  will                                                                   
receive the answers  from the commissioners and  agencies for                                                                   
questioned being asked.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker   responded  that  any  response   from  the                                                                   
Commissioner or his  department will be copied  to all member                                                                   
of the  committee. Co-Chair Hawker  remarked that of  all the                                                                   
departments  before the committee  this department  presented                                                                   
the  emptiest  plan.  The  Commissioner  responded  that  the                                                                   
department  has presented  the most  necessary present  needs                                                                   
and he assured Co-Chair Hawker  that the department takes the                                                                   
process very  seriously. Commissioner  Schmidt believed  that                                                                   
the 10-year plan structure helps  the department move forward                                                                   
in the way it needs. The Commissioner  reminded the committee                                                                   
he  was not  around when  this  original input  was made.  He                                                                   
assured the committee  that next year's plan  would look very                                                                   
different.  Co-Chair Hawker  accepted that  there would  be a                                                                   
year to  reevaluate the department's  needs but he  could not                                                                   
believe that more plans and visions  had not been formulated.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:32:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Salmon  remarked   that  in  these  times  of                                                                   
expanded  communication  and computers  there  have been  few                                                                   
changes in  rural areas. He  believed more effort  was needed                                                                   
in rural areas to respond to emergency calls.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:33:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster  applauded  the department  for  their                                                                   
work  in his  community.  Representative  Kelly reminded  the                                                                   
committee  that the  public is  concerned  about having  more                                                                   
troopers  on  the  streets  and  applauded  the  department's                                                                   
recruiting efforts and hoped for even more results.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:36:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze responded  that the  subcommittee would  be                                                                   
looking at rural  issues, VPSOS, and meetings  on the Council                                                                   
of Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Department of Corrections Budget Overview                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH  SCHMIDT,  COMMISSIONER,   DEPARTMENT  OF  CORRECTIONS                                                                   
provided a brief  overview for the department  and department                                                                   
heads. He noted that the Department  of Corrections is one of                                                                   
six states  that oversees  jails and  prisons plus  pre-trial                                                                   
and sentencing prisoners. The  Commissioner remarked that the                                                                   
department  has 12  correction institutions  and 13  regional                                                                   
adult probation  offices. At present there were  3604 general                                                                   
capacity  beds  with 3,715  maximum  capacity  beds (copy  on                                                                   
file).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough  asked   if  this  ratio  was  the                                                                   
standard  for  all prison  facilities.  Commissioner  Schmidt                                                                   
responded  he  would  get  back   to  her  with  the  answer.                                                                   
Commissioner  Schmidt continued  that the  department has  13                                                                   
regional   adult   probation    offices   supervising   5,940                                                                   
probationers.   He  added  that   there  are  15   contracted                                                                   
municipal  jails with  153 beds and  6 community  residential                                                                   
centers  with  753 beds.  The  Commissioner referred  to  the                                                                   
change  in 2007  of  the  department's mission  statement  to                                                                   
enhance the safety of the public  through secure confinement,                                                                   
reform programs, and supervised re-entry.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:45:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt  continued that  electronic  monitoring                                                                   
does not  change recidivism but  it is a cheaper  alternative                                                                   
to incarceration. The Commissioner  noted that there has been                                                                   
an  effort to  add halfway  house  beds to  help the  inmates                                                                   
reacclimatize to the community before being released.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hawker   asked  if  the  trends  being   seen  were                                                                   
favorable   to  the  Commissioner's   vision  of   population                                                                   
management.  Commissioner Schmidt  answered yes and  remarked                                                                   
that projections  have been up  and down with the  numbers of                                                                   
prisoners increasing  and decreasing  regularly from  year to                                                                   
year. He stressed this made projections difficult.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt pointed  out that  arrests are  down in                                                                   
the field because 30 more police  officers have been added on                                                                   
the street.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked if there  were trends in certain areas                                                                   
of  the  state  that  lead  to  bed  shortages.  Commissioner                                                                   
Schmidt  reported that  the problem was  mainly among  medium                                                                   
security  prisoners.  He  felt  the inmates  were  not  being                                                                   
released   from   maximum  security   to   minimum   security                                                                   
facilities in a timely enough manner.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:50:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt asserted that  the division  commits to                                                                   
working within the Results Delivery  Units (RDE). He informed                                                                   
that the  division is working  on an Occupational  Safety and                                                                   
Health Administration (OSHA) respiratory  protection program.                                                                   
The Commissioner reported on Kenai building renovations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:52:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Schmidt  mentioned three housing units  built at                                                                   
Palmer Camp  and the  gym in Fairbanks.  He declared  that 38                                                                   
beds  would   be  brought  to  Fairbanks.   The  Commissioner                                                                   
disclosed  that aging  facilities were  still a challenge  as                                                                   
well as  training and procuring  staff. He discussed  present                                                                   
programs for staff members.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:54:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Schmidt   continued   with  the   subject   of                                                                   
population  management.  He  maintained   the  importance  of                                                                   
halfway houses to make sure those beds were full.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  remarked  he   had  visited  almost  every                                                                   
facility  in the state  and expressed  his concern  regarding                                                                   
the staffing levels at some facilities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:56:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze wondered  if there was an issue  of where to                                                                   
put  different  kinds  of  offenders.   Commissioner  Schmidt                                                                   
agreed it sometime  happens. He reported that  staff had been                                                                   
added to help address some of  the problems. Co-Chair Stoltze                                                                   
remarked  he  would  attend a  subcommittee  meeting  on  the                                                                   
subject.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:58:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Fairclough questioned  if a specific issue for                                                                   
Highland   Mountain   Correctional    center   was   in   the                                                                   
department's capital projects  budget. Mr. Peeples replied it                                                                   
was  in the  FY10 capital  budget. Representative  Fairclough                                                                   
questioned if  the municipality was working  cooperatively on                                                                   
the  land swap.  Mr.  Peeples  indicated there  was  positive                                                                   
cooperation on land swap. Representative  Fairclough wondered                                                                   
if this  will occur during  the present legislative  session.                                                                   
Mr.  Peeples  indicated  they  were trying  to  initiate  the                                                                   
project now. Representative Fairclough  requested a follow-up                                                                   
to  her   inquiry.  Mr.   Peeples  agreed   to  provide   the                                                                   
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:01:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Salmon questioned  the fire drill  protection                                                                   
plans  that  were  practiced  at  the  prisons.  Commissioner                                                                   
Schmidt replied  that each facility  had emergency  plans for                                                                   
fire evacuations drills.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:03:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Salmon further  questioned the physical  fire                                                                   
systems.  The  Commissioner responded  that  water  sprinkler                                                                   
systems are  throughout the facilities. Representative  Kelly                                                                   
asked if the number of correction  officers mentioned earlier                                                                   
was a positive change. The Commissioner  replied that it was.                                                                   
Representative  Kelly  referred to  the  intent  to fill  all                                                                   
vacancies  in FY09  and asked  if  that was  also a  positive                                                                   
achievement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:05:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  responded  that  he had  heard  less  from                                                                   
correctional  officers  on the  subject  of forced  overtime.                                                                   
Commissioner  Schmidt  replied  that the  overtime  issue  is                                                                   
gone.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:06:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Salmon  asked for more information  on how the                                                                   
department  plans  to bring  home  prisoners  at the  Arizona                                                                   
facility. Commissioner  Schmidt replied  that the  first draw                                                                   
down  occurred  when empty  beds  were  found in  Seward.  He                                                                   
believed  the   new  projection  indicated  that   all  those                                                                   
incarcerated  in  Arizona  should  be  returning  to  Alaska.                                                                   
Representative Salmon asked                         when that                                                                   
would  happen.  The  Commissioner   replied  by  March  2012.                                                                   
Representative Kelly remarked  that more inmates returning to                                                                   
Alaska would cause costs to rise.   He requested the economic                                                                   
costs  for  putting inmates  in  Goose  Creek as  opposed  to                                                                   
keeping them in Arizona.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule asked about  the recommended increase in                                                                   
community  center  jails  or   halfway  houses.  Commissioner                                                                   
Schmidt  replied  that  half-way   houses  were  used  as  an                                                                   
integration  tool  for  those  completing  longer  sentences.                                                                   
Representative  Joule   thanked  the  Commissioner   for  the                                                                   
departments help and cooperation within his community.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:12:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough   questioned  the   statistics  of                                                                   
alcoholism and alcohol related  cases in prison. Commissioner                                                                   
Schmidt  responded  that a  2003  study put  alcohol  related                                                                   
problems at  92 percent.  Representative Fairclough  asked if                                                                   
there  were  any alcohol  or  drug  related programs  in  the                                                                   
prisons.  Commissioner  Schmidt  responded  that  residential                                                                   
substance  abuse  programs were  in  Kenai,  Eagle River  and                                                                   
Arizona. He remarked  that with most sentences  averaging 120                                                                   
days there was not enough time  for prisoners to complete the                                                                   
programs.   Representative   Fairclough  noted   that   anger                                                                   
management programs  were difficult to house  in rural areas.                                                                   
She wondered if  anger management programs were  available to                                                                   
help  reintroduce inmates  to  the community.  Representative                                                                   
Fairclough  also wondered  if  there was  any  online way  to                                                                   
record    court    ordered     perpetrator    accountability.                                                                   
Commissioner  Schmidt  replied he  would  have  to return  to                                                                   
Representative Fairclough with specifics.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:16:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Salmon asked if  the Commissioner was familiar                                                                   
with HB9 on capital punishment  and, if the bill passed, what                                                                   
additional facilities  would need  to be built.  Commissioner                                                                   
Schmidt replied he was not sure  at this time. Representative                                                                   
Salmon  wondered how  this would  work. Commissioner  Schmidt                                                                   
did not want to speculate at this time.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly questioned  if the use of polygraphs was                                                                   
working. Commissioner Schmidt  replied no active study exists                                                                   
but evidence-based work indicates  that sex offender programs                                                                   
can reduce  recidivism by 8 percent.  He added that  it is an                                                                   
expensive  program   that  is  not  always   cost  effective.                                                                   
Representative   Kelly  declared   that  results  should   be                                                                   
observed to  justify the large  amount of money  being spent.                                                                   
He added that the number of non-compliance was not good.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly questioned  if  the probation  officers                                                                   
were making  frequent visits to  oversee the progress  of the                                                                   
offender.  Commissioner  Schmidt   commented  that  probation                                                                   
officers  do supervise  the sex offenders  in the  community.                                                                   
Representative  Kelly  declared his  interest  in making  the                                                                   
numbers  in prison  go down  because  probation progress  was                                                                   
effective  and parolees  were  not just  left  on the  street                                                                   
unsupervised.  He wondered if  there was  any reward  for the                                                                   
private sector to hire people  coming out of prison. Co-Chair                                                                   
Stoltze recounted  success stories from businesses  who hired                                                                   
former inmates.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:23:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples replied there were  no tax credits for businesses                                                                   
who hire former inmates. Representative  Kelly was interested                                                                   
in knowing of  successful programs that have  been working in                                                                   
other areas of the country.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  questioned what sort of  alcohol related                                                                   
issues exists  in the  prisons. Commissioner Schmidt  replied                                                                   
that  alcohol  related issues  do  not necessarily  refer  to                                                                   
alcoholism.  Representative   Gara  asked  if   numbers  were                                                                   
available on those  that had actual alcoholism  problems. The                                                                   
Commissioner  replied that  more studies  would be needed  to                                                                   
review  those statistics.  Representative  Joule wondered  if                                                                   
there  had   been  any  success   in  recidivism   among  sex                                                                   
offenders.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Schmidt  replied  that  evidence  base  numbers                                                                   
could be as  much as 8 percent. Mr. Peeples  interjected that                                                                   
there was  a Colorado  model that  provided some  statistics.                                                                   
Representative Joule  questioned if there existed  drugs that                                                                   
reduce  the sex  drive. The  Commissioner  replied that  more                                                                   
research was needed on the subject.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:28:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Fairclough contended  that rehabilitation  of                                                                   
certain  sex  offenders  had  been  approached  at  different                                                                   
levels but she  believed that child sex offenders  can not be                                                                   
rehabilitated. She  agreed drugs existed that  try to repress                                                                   
the  urges  of  child  sex  offenders.  She  felt  that  some                                                                   
programs  often help  the  offender learn  how  to avoid  the                                                                   
court system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:32:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  requested  that more  information  on  the                                                                   
subject  be  sent  to  the  committee.  Commissioner  Schmidt                                                                   
agreed  with Representative  Fairclough  that it  is just  as                                                                   
important who is not treated as those who are.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze applauded Natalie  Brooks who spent her life                                                                   
as  an advocate  in  the prison  system  and  hoped for  some                                                                   
higher recognition for her.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:35 PM                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
CORRECTIONS 10 year plan.HFC.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
CORRECTIONS FY09 10 budget update.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
PUBLIC_SAFETY_Plan.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
DPS FY09 and FY10 outline.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
DPS Org Chart 1-30-09 Rev.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
DPS selected 2008 accomplishments.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
Letter to Rep. Stoltze.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM
HB 81
DOC HFC Sub-Committee Overview.pdf HFIN 1/30/2009 1:30:00 PM